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Debating 101 - De File
Does Collecting Make You Feel Dirty?
cbertsch
cbertsch
Debating 101
I just saw one of those instant polls on ABC that had 43% giving the victory to Cheney, 35% to Edwards, and 19% calling it a tie. We all know how poor polls can be, especially ones conducted before the dust has settled. From where I sit, Edwards was a clear winner. But the American public has disagreed with me before, so I'm making a real effort to figure out how people could think Cheney the winner.

My guess is that they regarded him as authoritative. The perception that he's the power behind the throne has advantages. What I heard, though, was a man who spent most of the time using the first-person plural and very little letting "George W. Bush" pass from his lips. In other words, the appearance of authority may have come at a fatal price. Although Edwards clearly deferred to John Kerry, he managed both to counter Cheney's attacks and to use Kerry's name in positive statements. Again and again, you heard Edwards saying, "John Kerry will do Y" or John Kerry will do Y." And that's precisely the model of what I think a Vice-Presidential candidate should do in debating his counterpart.

Neither man did a particularly good job of responding directly to questions, but that's to be expected in this era of soundbites that have been rinsed and spun to the point of flaccidity. Edwards managed to avoid ad hominem attacks on Bush, while implying that Cheney is a self-interested liar. Cheney went after Kerry's record with dogged single-mindedness. My favorite comeback of the night was when Edwards said something like, "This administration proves that a long resumé is no guarantee of good judgment." Indeed.

Mode: dazed
Muse: Tim and Joe on FOX, alas

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tpratt From: tpratt Date: October 6th, 2004 01:41 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

suuure you never said Iraq was linked to 9/11, Dick

Keep this one in mind:Meet the Press, September 4th, 2003.
You will be hearing more about this one, I promise. Nothing like a good old fashioned lie to help you along with that whole authoritative power-behind-the-throne bit, huh?
From: ex_synecdoch550 Date: October 6th, 2004 02:04 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
The disappointing thing about these debates is that people don't go away saying that one candidate won because of the arguments he made; they instead argue that somebody one based on the fact that "He stuck to his guns" or "he seemed presidential." I really wish people would evaluate the arguments they make.

That, and the fact that the only people who probably will care about Cheney's blatant lying are people who already would not vote for him, are really troubling for me.
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