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Does Collecting Make You Feel Dirty?
The Giants are playing their worst ball in a decade. They're awful, with a .433 winning percentage. But, as of today, they're only five-and-a-half games out of first place! This year's National League West has to be the worst division in a long time, if not ever. I realize that the teams in it have been ravaged by injuries -- where would the Giants be now if they had Barry? -- but, man, what lameness. The division leader has a losing record, for X sake!

Mode: corrugated
Muse: an afterlisten of Bob Mould's latest

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_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 1st, 2005 12:47 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
but, man, what lameness.

Odd feeling, isn't it? I was raised (and remain) a Steeler's fan and our division is [pretty much] inarguably the worst in the league (although they are getting better). And there's always this dual feeling of "Woo hoo! We're going to win the division!" combined with "egad, but *look* at the division".
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 01:25 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I know what you mean. The Bengals alone made the division look bad. Are you from the Pittsburgh area originally or did you became a Steelers fan for other reasons.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 1st, 2005 01:42 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Both of my parents were born and raised in that relative area of PA. I, however, was born and raised in Cleveland. With a father who would put a "You're in Steeler Country" giant sign across the whole front of our house every time they played the Browns and where I learned to make a first rate fist by third grade because of it. :) Oh I had my veerings from loyalty as a child (i.e., being a dolphins fan because of Flipper, etc.) but a Steeler's fan I remain. So, of course I married a die-hard Raiders' fan. Who has a very fine division and I've listened to shit on the comparison of divisions for 16 years. Bah. I've just learned to appreciate that you can be "stomping the division" with a record of 9-7 and to view the playoffs with a sort of "welcome to reality" grimness and hope that we get lucky. Which can always happen! That's why the play the games, no?
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 04:16 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Wow. Having been really into football in elementary school, I recall the epic Raiders-Steelers clashes on Monday Night Football -- I had to go to sleep before the games ended, alas -- and other junctures. I'm too young to have witnessed the "Immaculate Reception," but saw plenty of other Bradshaw-Stallworth-Swann-Steel Curtain thrillers. Of course, growing up north of Philadelphia, I had been trained to despise "Pittsburgh, Ohio," as we called it.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 1st, 2005 04:38 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Having been really into football in elementary school,

Yes, you and I grew up in the same 'era' (my having been born in January '69). Rough stuff that football starting at 9:00 p.m. business.

epic Raiders-Steelers clashes

Alas, most of the passion seems to be gone now, in that rivalry. However, rest assured that during the football season Jim and I drink enough beers on Sundays that we are able to argue football with enough Raiders-Steelers hatred to do the '70's proud.

I don't think I've missed a Steeler's game in ~10 years. Which started just as coincidence and then became a thing upon itself and, you know, *tradition*. We go to a Famous Sam's that's a "Steelers Bar" and getting there at 8:45 on Sundays to wait for the door to open at 9:00 in order to "get our table" (which we've been sitting at for 9 years) along with all the other regulars is our big fall tradition/date day every week. Big screens, team colors, pitchers of beer starting at 10 a.m. and a squadron of babysitters -- backbone of the loving american family! :)

I had been trained to despise "Pittsburgh, Ohio," as we called it.

Oh yes. I spent many summers of my youth in PA (grandparents both around the Uniontown/Brownsville/Republic/New Salem area) and every year going back it was a matter of re-proving to the local kids that I hadn't been subverted by 'that city.'

But, I gotta love Cleveland; particularly with respect to sports. Man, we had it rough there. Did you ever see Major League? There's a scene in a local dive bar where everyone is watching the game and toasting all around -- punk rockers, ford workers, you name it -- in this comaraderie of underdog-ness and Cleveland was really like that. Love of sports was cross socio-cultural.
From: zokah Date: August 1st, 2005 05:24 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Love of sports was cross socio-cultural.
and remains so. That is where I've seen more "communities" made than anywhere else (excepting educational institutions). Audience, in cultural events - in particular sports, is, imo, one of the most pure forms of community b/c of your last sentence.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Yeah, as a coastal person I've always had a longing to be from the Midwest. Not a strong longing, necessarily, but it's there.

I had lunch at a Famous Sam's during NCAA basketball tournament time. (CONFESSION: I like football, even if KDD detests it, but prefer basketball -- I play it pretty regularly and lamely -- and baseball.) It was so full of smoke! I liked the vibe well enough, but my asthma couldn't take it. Then again, that may be because I was in the seedy one at Prince and 1st.
masoo From: masoo Date: August 1st, 2005 01:26 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
They are worse than you suggest. Their .433 winning percentage, if it lasts through the end of the season, would be their fourth-worst in all 48 seasons in San Francisco. And what do they do? Try to win the division.

What morons.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 04:13 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
But what if they do win the division? I mean, I'd still root for them and shit, even if they remain awful.
From: zokah Date: August 1st, 2005 05:26 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
please note my silence on this ::grin::

it's not too late you know to stay and watch anohter team's game without going over (or under) the bridge...
From: catfishvegas Date: August 1st, 2005 05:43 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Maybe it's spurred mostly by watching the D'Backs homerun fest yesterday, but despite these terrible records, I'm actually paying attention to baseball in August - something I thought I wouldn't be doing when the season started. A sub-.500 playoff hunt is still a playoff hunt. It doesn't matter the West's representative will get creamed in the playoffs. Watching the daily standings is what matters here, and the games will get exciting, especially when they're all intradivision.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 05:50 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
True enough. I just wish Barry would return.
tpratt From: tpratt Date: August 2nd, 2005 03:53 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

what I really want to know

is how that new Bob Mould album is. I read something where he's planning on touring and playing some Hoooooooosker Du and Sugar songs. I just don't get the guy, though. He says some Husker Du stuff is ok but that Sugar is "the shit". Yeah, he said that. I like me some Sugar songs and everything, but jeez.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 2nd, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

Re: what I really want to know

Well, if you're talking about a pop sensibility, I think you could make a better case for Sugar. There are some really good Sugar songs from that standpoint. And some similarly good ones on his first two post-Sugar albums. For me, though, the best things in his catalogue are Zen Arcade, New Day Rising, and his first solo album Workbook. Taken as an artistic whole, I think Workbook may be his best of all, in that it channels punk energy into acoustic territory and carves a new landscape there.

As for the new album, Body of Song, I like it. It does a better job of integrating his DJ electronica persona with his guitar hero persona. Sometimes he does that thing with his voice that Cher did on that late 90s hit. There are a couple of loud numbers. Overall, at this point I'd rank the new one below his last solo guitar record but far above Modulate. I'm sure he'll be good in concert, though. He always is. Again, however, I prefer him solo acoustic because his energy is less filtered.
From: zokah Date: August 3rd, 2005 01:43 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

Re: what I really want to know

I heard an interview with him this morning on KFOG and he played Sugar's If I Can't Change Your Mind and one of the new pieces. Maybe b/c it was the morning, maybe the fender stratocaster wasn't up to snuff, but the experience was a bit grating. For the record was a big Husker Du fan in the day. The live recording can be found here:

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