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_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 1st, 2005 12:47 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
but, man, what lameness.

Odd feeling, isn't it? I was raised (and remain) a Steeler's fan and our division is [pretty much] inarguably the worst in the league (although they are getting better). And there's always this dual feeling of "Woo hoo! We're going to win the division!" combined with "egad, but *look* at the division".
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 01:25 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I know what you mean. The Bengals alone made the division look bad. Are you from the Pittsburgh area originally or did you became a Steelers fan for other reasons.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 1st, 2005 01:42 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Both of my parents were born and raised in that relative area of PA. I, however, was born and raised in Cleveland. With a father who would put a "You're in Steeler Country" giant sign across the whole front of our house every time they played the Browns and where I learned to make a first rate fist by third grade because of it. :) Oh I had my veerings from loyalty as a child (i.e., being a dolphins fan because of Flipper, etc.) but a Steeler's fan I remain. So, of course I married a die-hard Raiders' fan. Who has a very fine division and I've listened to shit on the comparison of divisions for 16 years. Bah. I've just learned to appreciate that you can be "stomping the division" with a record of 9-7 and to view the playoffs with a sort of "welcome to reality" grimness and hope that we get lucky. Which can always happen! That's why the play the games, no?
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 04:16 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Wow. Having been really into football in elementary school, I recall the epic Raiders-Steelers clashes on Monday Night Football -- I had to go to sleep before the games ended, alas -- and other junctures. I'm too young to have witnessed the "Immaculate Reception," but saw plenty of other Bradshaw-Stallworth-Swann-Steel Curtain thrillers. Of course, growing up north of Philadelphia, I had been trained to despise "Pittsburgh, Ohio," as we called it.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 1st, 2005 04:38 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Having been really into football in elementary school,

Yes, you and I grew up in the same 'era' (my having been born in January '69). Rough stuff that football starting at 9:00 p.m. business.

epic Raiders-Steelers clashes

Alas, most of the passion seems to be gone now, in that rivalry. However, rest assured that during the football season Jim and I drink enough beers on Sundays that we are able to argue football with enough Raiders-Steelers hatred to do the '70's proud.

I don't think I've missed a Steeler's game in ~10 years. Which started just as coincidence and then became a thing upon itself and, you know, *tradition*. We go to a Famous Sam's that's a "Steelers Bar" and getting there at 8:45 on Sundays to wait for the door to open at 9:00 in order to "get our table" (which we've been sitting at for 9 years) along with all the other regulars is our big fall tradition/date day every week. Big screens, team colors, pitchers of beer starting at 10 a.m. and a squadron of babysitters -- backbone of the loving american family! :)

I had been trained to despise "Pittsburgh, Ohio," as we called it.

Oh yes. I spent many summers of my youth in PA (grandparents both around the Uniontown/Brownsville/Republic/New Salem area) and every year going back it was a matter of re-proving to the local kids that I hadn't been subverted by 'that city.'

But, I gotta love Cleveland; particularly with respect to sports. Man, we had it rough there. Did you ever see Major League? There's a scene in a local dive bar where everyone is watching the game and toasting all around -- punk rockers, ford workers, you name it -- in this comaraderie of underdog-ness and Cleveland was really like that. Love of sports was cross socio-cultural.
From: zokah Date: August 1st, 2005 05:24 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Love of sports was cross socio-cultural.
and remains so. That is where I've seen more "communities" made than anywhere else (excepting educational institutions). Audience, in cultural events - in particular sports, is, imo, one of the most pure forms of community b/c of your last sentence.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 1st, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Yeah, as a coastal person I've always had a longing to be from the Midwest. Not a strong longing, necessarily, but it's there.

I had lunch at a Famous Sam's during NCAA basketball tournament time. (CONFESSION: I like football, even if KDD detests it, but prefer basketball -- I play it pretty regularly and lamely -- and baseball.) It was so full of smoke! I liked the vibe well enough, but my asthma couldn't take it. Then again, that may be because I was in the seedy one at Prince and 1st.
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