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Does Collecting Make You Feel Dirty?
I set up Skylar an account on our old G4 desktop today and showed her how to log in. She spent a few minutes poking around in Google Images -- with the strict safe search on, naturally -- and then grew disenchanted. But she was back at it later. "What are you doing?," I asked her. "I'm trying to get into other people's accounts." I suppressed a smile. "But you don't know their passwords." Skylar beamed up at me. "I'm just going to type in letters and numbers all day until I figure one out." She may not have much interest in television. She may not spend much time on the computer. But she already has impulses that inspire a mixture of admiration and fear.
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tsenft From: tsenft Date: August 3rd, 2005 02:47 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
hahahhah awesome!
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 03:31 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I was going to pose you a question, in your pinot grigio-enhanced state, but got intimidated!
tsenft From: tsenft Date: August 3rd, 2005 03:36 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
If you are intimidated by a pinot grigio-enhanced woman, I fear for your marriage, my friend!
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 03:44 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
He-he-he. Actually, I have more concrete reasons to fear, but I've overcome them. A little pinot grigio is nothing! It was your commenters that intimidated me.
tsenft From: tsenft Date: August 3rd, 2005 03:47 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
My commenters are overly impressed by the professor thing, which should be old hat to you
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 05:16 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Duh. It's nice to see you writing more. I felt bad, reading your tipping entry, that I'd just contributed to the decision to leave a less-than-20% tip -- we left about 17% -- for the first time in years and years because our server was a total prick. Still, I've never gone lower than 15%. On the other hand, I don't have the money to leave tips in hotel rooms the way I should.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 3rd, 2005 03:16 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Hooray for her! Let her show girls can be hackers too!
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 03:32 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
For now she'd rather make art and play with -- ::whispering:: legos -- but I think she has the right obsessive mind for that sort of activity. She's never that interested in the applications. She just wants to change my system preferences.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 3rd, 2005 04:09 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

Anyone who can stomach the tedium involved in searching for the exact two bob piece amongst 3,000 legos has certainly got the right kind of obsessive mind for something! ;)

Jet comes and goes on his computer usage, as with everything. He has, however, been on the computer since he was about 14 months old and went through a period of *very* heavy computer usage at around 3. Again as with everything, some of the games are crap, but some of them are sheer brilliance in terms of the areas of thought they force you to use. In one section of one his favorites you have to create the right sort of baby zerbles or whatever they are by ::whispering:: figuring out dominant gene trait tendencies. :) It's a bit Orwellian, but cool nonetheless.

I suspect we'll have problems with hacking our system later because already things *annoy* him (given Jim is in the computer industry, we've a real tech house) -- a long time ago he was in his room googling pictures of dragons and he comes stomping down here to the den to say "Dad?!?!?! are you downloading?!?!?! You're sucking up all the bandwidth!!" He is still young enough, however, to think the network is the province of Parental Gods so it hasn't occurred to him to muck about killing downloads on his own. :)
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 02:50 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
My goodness. You have a very precocious young man. Skylar's precociousness has tended to manifest itself in abstract thinking and an abstract approach to art. She has inherited the family art and language genes. Hopefully she'll have Kim's math mind and not my own. Interestingly, she hasn't been much ahead of the pace in reading. We haven't really encourgaged that -- at her pre-school and kindergarten there were plenty of parents who pushed it -- because we're taking a more holistic approach to language development. Frankly, I'd rather have her not outstrip her classmates in the short term. Of course, I was slow to read myself. By second grade, though, I was reading like mad. And that's when school became terribly boring for me.
_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: August 3rd, 2005 04:50 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Frankly, I'd rather have her not outstrip her classmates in the short term

*Yes*, this is a big issue, isn't it? That finding of a school that doesn't hinder the love of learning learned at home. Which is why it's pretty much a conversation ender to get me going on Jet's school, because I LOVE it and can pretty much talk about nothing else for the next three hours. :) "Being bored at school" was a big fear of both mine and Jim's, I'm sure because we both experienced it ourselves, and something that was and is our priority in choosing schools and our number one conversation with every teacher/admin/etc. that we interviewed. Satori is a *fabulous* school -- in the main part, 'academically', because I am a big believer in Howard Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences and that is what they practice. And the philosophy really trickles down to the children themselves (I spend a lot of time volunteering) -- Jimmy doing math at five grades above his level but normal level reading and Judy doing the reverse and the kids just seem to accept that natural difference in abilities. I dunno how to explain the vibe without writing for about 100 pages. :)

Jet's precociousness is most distinctly centered around math. He's got a way creepy 'natural instinct' towards numbers and patterns and sets and quantities and how to divide, regroup, just *manipulate* them and was, in fact, actually quantifying things up to 10 (including "zero") by 15 months old (it was one of both my blessings and my curses that given Jet's brain damage 'assessments' were a routine part of his therapies all through the first three years. It is one thing to be able to 'ignore' developmental charts, etc. "because they don't matter," it's a whole 'nother thing when they actually *do* matter. And for the ability to take the extraordinary levels in stride with the average or below average levels, I thank 20 years of developing and practicing an Eastern sort of Detachment.)

And ::whistling::, yes, I can take up about 15 pages of your comments section talking about parenting because it is an absolute fascination of mine. Good thing it is, I guess, given I think it's the most important thing I'll ever do. :) But, such long winded conversations maybe better suited to 20 pages emails? Which, really, I would love to discuss with both you *and* KDD if you ever want to. You can't throw out something like "holistic approach to language" and not expect me to want to talk and talk and talk. I have found, to my disapointment, that actual *parenting* is not something a lot of parents give a whole lot of thought to. And whenever I find some that *do*, I'm ready to like move into their house for a week to compare notes.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 05:13 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I love thinking and talking about those things. My friend Laura is really into it too. Kim is more hands-on about it, leads by example, especially where the drive to make things is concerned. I wish I could say that I'd done all the de rigeur reading on language development with which to back up my use of the word "holisitic." But the fact is that I just cobble together my readings in philosophy, with a little linguistics thrown in. Still, I'm pretty confident of my methodology, at least as it has worked out for Skylar. Basically, my idea has to help her to understand as much as she can of what's going on around her and to build a large oral vocabulary to that end. We read out loud a lot, still. If she's like I was, I figure, the reading-big-words and reading-complex-sentences will fall into grooves cut by her oral proficiency. So far, so good. I'm happy to keep talking about this "off LJ" too, if you want. I'll try not to be too intimidated!
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 3rd, 2005 09:38 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Yes, I AM really into it, not to say obsessed. As you know I tried to write a whole blog about it but even I got bored of it (education/learning/scholarship/schools and schooling/teaching talk). I just finished the new Harry Potter the other day and want to write about all these narratives of schooling. One thing: class. I think whole language works for kids like ours, but I'm not sure I'd want to use it if I ran a school of kids with few or fewer privileges (like books in the house, models for reading, experiences in the world that reinforce both the things in books and the abstraction of books themselves). And having said that, it's weird that the narratives of schooling I'm so interested in (Harry Potter, Jane Eyre, Matilda) are all about kids without privilege of various kinds -- read by kids of the middle class? WHo knows -- they say kids everywhere read Harry Potter. -- Laura
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
No spoilers, please! We're several books behind the curve. I was wondering. I need to read Rousseau's Emile over the next month or so. Do you (or does anyone else) want to read it with me?
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 3rd, 2005 10:31 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Um, I don't want to read it but I'll be glad to talk to you about it. I had to spend a fair amount of time with Rousseau for my book, obviously, and 18c and 19c childrearing/"education" texts are my meat and potatoes. Why on earth are you reading THAT?
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: August 3rd, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
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