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Another Fifteen Minutes
A few weeks ago someone asked to interview me for AZNightBuzz, an internet partner of the Arizona Daily Star that focuses on local entertainment news. Although I was baffled by the request -- "Why would anyone want to interview me? I'm an interviewer, not an interviewee." -- I consented to do it. I figured it would be instructive to be on the other side of the tape recorder. And the prospective interviewer was someone who took a class with me back in 2002 and clearly enjoyed reading things like The Baffler and David Boring that I assigned that semester in a rare fit of teaching the sort of material I actually work on myself. Still, I figured that the piece would get canned for being of too little interest. I'm hardly entertainment news, after all.

The interview itself was a lot of fun and long, as tommix, who joined us for a while can attest, and a pleasant enough experience on its own terms that I wasn't worried about whether it would be published or not. The author sent me a draft for review when I was in the Bay Area, but it came through garbled and I was too preoccupied to ask for a resend in a timely fashion. Besides, I figured, it might do me good to be less controlling of my words and image. Plenty of artists have trusted me to do right by them without asking to give final approval of my copy. Maybe it was time for me to do the same.

That decision led to me forgetting that the piece was out there for a bit. And then last night I got an e-mail from my friend Annalee, who linked to it and pointed out a factual error that needed correcting. Then I went to my friend Steven's blog and saw that he had already written an entry about it. Talk about fast movers! So I went to read the piece and was pleasantly surprised with the way it turned out, even though there were some minor glitches in the editing process and a few insignificant factual errors aside from the one Annalee pointed out. None of the latter were the author's fault, really, since I had talked for long enough, especially about Bad Subjects, to generate considerable confusion.

[UPDATE, 2/14/06: The editor commented below. I sent him my belated edits. The piece now looks even better. I'm keeping the paragraph below as it was originally, in keeping with my archival impulse. But my mild regret at not getting back to the author before the piece went live has been vanquished.]

I felt bad for a bit, thinking that I could have caught most of those infelicities before publication and also smoothed over some rough patches in my own statements. But then I took a deep breath and reminded myself the reality of journalism is that precision is a luxury. If I wanted a real interview experience, as I'd initially told myself, this was what I had to content myself with. Besides, the points I had tried to make most forcefully came through clearly, if in the somewhat ineloquent circling speech that characterizes me in conversation:
Along with helping him find a niche in the Arizona music scene and giving him a fond journalism memory, Bertsch believes that the New Times’ restricted word count taught him how to make a concise yet solid point – a valuable lesson that he also discovered through reading the works of imprisoned Italian thinker Antonio Gramsci and Walter Benjamin, who were both forced to distill complex ideas into short pieces. This is partly what makes Bertsch such a unique and powerful music journalist. Instead of only citing Spin, Rolling Stone and other rock journalism mainstays as inspiration, Bertsch sees and understands the link between world literature and, say, CMJ. Similarly, he believes that the works he read when he was young taught him how to think about art and aesthetics in the world of academia.

And what about being a professor? Interestingly enough, Bertsch says that working in academia taught him how to handle reportedly tough interviewee Richard Hell. “I was warned [by other music critics] that the interview would be a difficult… And so I just decided that I would talk to him about his work in the same way that I would an academic colleague. I said to him, ‘I noticed in your lyrics that you do this, this and this,’ and he was like, ‘Oh, you noticed that!’ So, I won him over.”

Indie legend Jad Fair of Half Japanese was another tough interviewee. He was “like talking to a post. Plus, his wife is an animal rights activist. He needs a little more meat… metaphorically,” Bertsch recalls. Other famous names in indie rock weren’t quite such a challenge to interview. “With Thurston Moore, you could fart and he would talk.”

Bertsch’s current projects include working as the music editor of Tikkun and writing a book on punk. One of the book’s main themes is that many people learn more about how to think and write about culture from the 300-word music reviews they read as teenagers than anything else because reviews are short and about something they care deeply about – two factors that don’t make the writing intimidating. “I think the average 17-year-old can read a review in Rolling Stone and think, ‘I can argue with that.’ It’s that sense of empowerment that activates those words in that review or feature and enacts some sort of aesthetic sensibility that would be harder to get if you were training yourself to be tasteful.”
Although I wish I'd been a little clearer in formulating my point about the value of restricted word counts and how it relates to Gramsci and Benjamin, I can live with direct quotes like, "Plus, his wife is an animal rights activist. He needs a little more meat. . . metaphorically," which captures a catty mode that I share too rarely and, "It's that sense of empowerment that activates those words in that review or feature and enacts some sort of aesthetic sensibility that would be harder to get if you were training yourself to be tasteful," which sounds like me channeling Joel channeling me, a fusion that has always made me happy and which my recent trip to see him and Jennifer at their belated wedding reception reinvigorated. Alright, time to go listen to more airborne Madonna. And to await Jad Fair's angry response. . .

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From: (Anonymous) Date: February 14th, 2006 12:25 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)


Hey Charlie, I'm Jorge Ribas, the editor of AZNightBuzz. I got an email this morning from Danielle, who alerted me to the error regarding the name of the co-founder of Bad Subjects. It's been fixed. You mentioned some other editing glitches. Is it something I could fix? Let me know.

About the interview. Personally I thought it was good. Maybe a little too long, and if we were a newspaper I'm sure the thing would have been cut down by 1000 words. But I think the long quotes do the story justice and overall it was quite interesting, especially to read about your take on cyber-journalism and the new media and how it's affected music writing in particular. Thanks for becoming the interviewee.

cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 14th, 2006 01:33 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

Re: fix

Thanks for writing, Jorge. The editor in me agrees about length, though the reader in me likes long things. I'll send you a message with the corrections. They are things I would have caught if I'd had a chance to read the thing carefully beforehand, but the fault is totally mine, since I didn't ask for a resend.
tommix From: tommix Date: February 14th, 2006 01:25 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

And they used the angry picture!
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 14th, 2006 02:13 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I prefer to think of it as my grumpy Hasidic look. . . :-)

In the words of Eyeore, "Thanks for noticing me."
frostedfuckhead From: frostedfuckhead Date: February 14th, 2006 05:17 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Hey! I was in that same class... It was one of my favorites at the university.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 14th, 2006 05:28 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Me too. It was a nice bunch. I have other LJ friends now who were in that class.
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