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In the end, it's all about the talents:
Former SEX PISTOLS star JOHN LYDON has slammed New York punk bands, including THE RAMONES, citing them as repetitive, tatty and spoilt.

Lydon, also known as JOHNNY ROTTEN, insists his transatlantic punk contemporaries lacked the original talent of British bands and were deprived of the chance to prove themselves by wealthy parents.

He says, "The Ramones to me were more like STATUS QUO.

"They were hilarious but you can only go so far with 'dur-dur-dur-duh.' I've heard it. Next. Move on.

"The New York scene has always been really seedy, tatty, dirty, old people.

"We were 17; they were 25. The New York bands all had wealthy parents who bought them nice shiny guitars and they stuck RIMBAUD poetry over everything."
Maybe Americans watch too much Television.

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_luaineach From: _luaineach Date: February 21st, 2006 02:40 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
all had wealthy parents who bought them nice shiny guitars and they stuck RIMBAUD poetry over everything."

bwuahahahahaha, I alway say this about Trent Reznor who was fucking *loaded* and had like a full DAT studio or whatever in his grandma's basement in highschool for pete's sake...
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 21st, 2006 11:48 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Did you know him back then? Or am I deluding myself in thinking that he was from Cleveland.
From: ex_benlinus Date: February 21st, 2006 03:10 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Ha, that's funny because Johnny Lydon was scared to death of The Ramones. He thought they were gonna beat them up when he met them.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 21st, 2006 11:49 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Johnny was a tough motherfucker, by all accounts. Not to mention a libertarian Republican. . .
From: e4q Date: February 21st, 2006 03:47 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
bless him. still; YAWN!
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 21st, 2006 11:50 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Yes. It's sort of like the aged Yeats harshing on Eliot, isn't it?
tpratt From: tpratt Date: February 21st, 2006 04:46 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I maintain one can still get awfully far with "dur-dur-dur-duh". I'm of the mind the Ramones lost their way to a certain extent when they followed their love of overproduced pop right to Phil Spector's door, though. Yeesh. Overall, the Ramones IMO hold up a lot better than Sex Pistols. Although they're both better than the Richard Hell/Television/other CBGBeery of that time. Shit, DEVO trumps them all. Again, IMO, so don't get all excited because you all rocked Never Mind the Bollocks for a year in college. (not you, Charlie).

Besides, there's nothing more pretentious than Public Image Ltd. Not that it's terrible or anything but come on now. Lydon is so irrelevant it's funny. I read a great story about Richard Branson flying DEVO to Jamaica, putting a pound of weed in front of them, then bringing in Johnny Rotten to be their new singer because the Sex Pistols were, of course, already a cultural footnote. Naturally, after freaking out, they politely declined. Sure, John Lydon is just keeping it real. He grew up po'. The fact that he acted like a rich turd just as soon as he could scrape two pound notes together doesn't mean shit, right?

The Sex Pistols should have gone on their "Filthy Lucre" tour (garsh, the irony) with Nazareth. Both have as much to do with the current state of punk rock. Then again, Nazareth would have blown them off the stage.
masoo From: masoo Date: February 21st, 2006 05:10 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Rocking to Bollocks in college ... nope, I was a steelworker then, and, considering that as I type this, Vault Radio is playing "Anarchy in the U.K." from the Winterland show I attended in 1978 the day before our daughter was born, I've been listening to the Pistols for a lot more than a year.

As for who holds up better ... well, it's true, the Ramones sound better at a ball game, in part because I don't imagine there's a sports venue in America that would ever play "Holiday in the Sun." In concert, the Ramones were a blast, but the Sex Pistols were unforgettable.

Still, Rock and Roll High School is a better movie than The Great Rock and Roll Swindle.

Meanwhile, the best thing Mark Mothersbaugh ever did was the theme song to Pee-wee's Playhouse. Heck, he coulda been Danny Elfman with a little more luck.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 21st, 2006 11:55 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I, of course, am the sort of soft boy who generally prefers the Patti Smith-Television aesthetic to "real" punk, however you define it. And I'd take The Buzzcocks over more extreme acts in a second. I'm a Cure fan, for goodness sakes. But I love your idea of Nazareth touring with the Pistols. And I'll freely admit to having periodic "Tim moments," when I thrash about to Steel Pole Bathtub or Mudhoney or Unsane or the Melvins.
From: cut_dead Date: February 21st, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Ramones at least knew how to write some memorable pop hooks, even though their three-chord sound could only go so far. Sex Pistols, while thrilling to listen to once a blue moon despite the silliness of it all (Ramones are silly as well, but they seemed to be fully conscious of it), were anything but a musically talented bunch. Public Image Ltd. (the early incarnation at least) were.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: February 21st, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
It may sound funny, but, I find the Sex Pistols pretty "hooky" themselves. The story of Malcom McClaren telling them to play worse than they were capable, however distorted, must also be kept in mind.
masoo From: masoo Date: February 22nd, 2006 03:39 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I wasn't aware that musical talent had anything to do with it. Steve Jones and Paul Cook were a terrific two-man band, though.
elizabeg From: elizabeg Date: February 22nd, 2006 02:08 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
You know that I have little if anything intelligent to say about the New York scene. Or the LA scene. Or any of it really. But I did forget to mention that Keith Morris nearly ran smack into V so as not to miss one minute of being front row for Bob Mould. So I can say that. You won't find it on television.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 21st, 2008 03:10 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Flipper is more punk than punk bands.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: June 21st, 2008 04:59 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Yes, I can see that. I'm really into the San Francisco scene from the earliest days at the Mabuhay through Tuxedo Moon's departure and beyond. Flipper was great.
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