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About as Subtle as a Screen Door on a Submarine
Hilary Clinton needs to put a muzzle on Mark Penn, if not let go of him outright. Because the way he has been sounding since the Iowa results, as exemplified in this Wall Street Journal story, is only going to hurt her:
Both inside and outside the Clinton campaign, Democrats were grumbling on Friday that the signals being sent -- chiefly from Mr. Penn, in his lengthy remarks to reporters aboard a charter flight from Iowa -- suggested that the campaign is more interested in having Sen. Obama brought down than in building up Sen. Clinton.

In almost every Democratic election, Mr. Penn said at one point, "You see people latch on to the new, seemingly fresh candidate, only to then take a sobering look at the choice they have when it comes down to the end of it. I think you're going to see that again."

Sen. Obama's senior strategist, Mr. Axelrod, responds: "Mark Penn is about as subtle as a screen door on a submarine." Mr. Axelrod criticizes the strategy that has had Sen. Clinton emphasizing her "strength and experience" as a contrast with freshman Sen. Obama's relative lack of Washington experience.
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who will hear Penn's comments and think, "I'll take vague and fuzzy over that kind of rhetoric." Indeed, that's the conclusion the Barack Obama campaign has been working so hard to inspire. Helping them achieve their goal more rapidly than they ever could have alone is political folly.

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tommix From: tommix Date: January 5th, 2008 07:41 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Penn sucks, Terry McAuliffe sucks, the DNC sucks. The Democratic establishment has lost the last two Presidential elections. I never wanted Gore, and I definitely didn't want Kerry. But I finally have a candidate to get excited about.

Check out the Iowa speech:

cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: January 5th, 2008 07:53 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
He's a fine speaker. I wish he were less nebulous. But I'll take a hopeful fog over a brightly lit remembrance of mediocrity past.

In other news, I am available once more for exercises in outsider bonding.
tommix From: tommix Date: January 5th, 2008 07:58 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I've always wanted to learn arc welding.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: January 5th, 2008 08:05 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Get out your asbestos outwear!
From: babyiwasshot Date: January 5th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Call me a sucker, but I really believe that he's progressive:


Plus, if the presidency is truly a measure of how the public's attitudes toward marginalized groups shift over time, Obama is the logical choice for "change." Racial equality came before gender equality in past, so....

I don't know; frankly, I don't want Hillary Clinton to be the first woman president, but somebody more deserving of that historical prestige.
From: babyiwasshot Date: January 5th, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

there will be blood

suggested that the campaign is more interested in having Sen. Obama brought down than in building up Sen. Clinton

You better believe it; the Clintons fight dirtier than he's used to, and I'm sure the Iowa results pissed them off.

The deftness of Huckabee is what's TRULY amazing, though. How about that "attack ad" press conference? An absolute masterstroke. I love how they were having "sound/video problems," which made it necessary to restart the ad. Sound problems didn't matter ultimately, given the amount of TEXT in the ad. Plus the ad still "accidentally" ran in Cedar Rapids and Davenport; I'd like to see what Huckabee's polls were like in those cities before the ad ran; I suspect their "accidental" airing there was no accident, but a means of narrowcasting.
From: babyiwasshot Date: January 5th, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

Re: there will be blood


I also found this to be pretty funny, just the "blocking" of the phrases (excerpted clips, perhaps?): "on the income tax...that's...acceptable." It's like a Harold Pinter play.
From: babyiwasshot Date: January 6th, 2008 06:16 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
How's this for "nebulous?"


"Unless I missed something, senator Clinton said about two different things in the course of 2 minutes"--Edwards.

Not to be a dick or anything, I just really despise her; her overt AMBITION and sense of ENTITLEMENT alone are enough to turn me off, and NOT because she's a woman, but because she's just as "slick" as Willie, not to mention CORRUPT.
carte From: carte Date: January 6th, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
This is completely random but there's a new movie about Joe Strummer called "The Future is Unwritten" playing at the Loft & I recall that a year or so ago you were in a documentary about him. Is it the same movie?
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: January 6th, 2008 08:11 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I can only be seen for a half second, at a distance, across a campfire in a grainy nightshot. But, yes, that's the movie in which I participated, however marginally. I'm going to blog about it this week, perhaps even today. I don't know if you'll like it, but I have interesting things to say about it that will make more sense if you see it.
carte From: carte Date: January 6th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I'll see the movie then, but only after I've read your post! I remember that I really enjoyed hearing about your experience with the filming.
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