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Going Too Far
I had a vegan brunch yesterday. Not being a big fan of "cheez," I ordered mushrooms stuffed with risotto, only to find that the rice had been simulated by tofu as well. Now, I really love tofu, when it's prepared as tofu. But I find the practice of using it to approximate as many foods as possible, whatever its noble Buddhist lineage, highly annoying. As I told Joel and Rich, vegan cuisine of this sort might as well come with an announcement thanking the support of Archer Daniels Midland. At least the mushrooms were mushrooms.

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From: babyiwasshot Date: April 14th, 2008 07:42 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
If tofu were animate and had agency, perhaps it would assert that it needs to disguise itself at times in order to avoid those who categorically REFUSE to eat tofu without any attempt to sample it's joys.....then again, perhaps tofu wouldn't (or shouldn't) want those kinds of folk eating it anyway, but when only those folk are in its immediate milieu it then has only a single choice between lonliness and "faking it."

Plus tofu is really boring. I would know, for I AM tofu: bland, boring, &c.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: April 14th, 2008 08:17 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I actually like the slightly sourish taste of good tofu, particularly the softer sorts. But, yes, there's something disturbing about the bean curd masquerade.
From: babyiwasshot Date: April 14th, 2008 08:17 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)

play it to the hilt

Everybody fakes it, for that matter, and while it's indeed noble to continue to conceive of certain traditions/beliefs/IDENTITIES and what-not as sacred, it's also......absurd and pointless. A person is so much more than the sum of his/her parts (be them ethnic, spiritual, and even fabricated at times)......then again, I have no sense of experiential perspective from which to proffer this arugment, given that I don't know what it's like to be the subject of bigotry and oppression......wait a second; I DO (to an extent) in light of recent events, as well as the fact that I grew up relatively rich in a working-class town.........shit, man; if this is about me, then I still don't totally get it. I HAVE a solid identity when it comes to my conception of the self, but with respect to the outside world, well--yeah, I'm guilty of "acting," but I do it in the interest of keeping things peaceful, and yet conflict alw

I don't know; I still don't get how/why people could be offended, but then this opinion is informed directly by my experience of having no NOMINAL (i.e. in name) religious beliefs growing up......it's such a fucking mess. Screw it; hence why it's easier to conceive of it ALL as absurd.
lwveggie From: lwveggie Date: April 14th, 2008 08:34 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Perhaps there is something wrong with my comprehension, or my ability to comprehend, but the idea of mock rice is something I can't grab on to.

Did it look like rice?
From: babyiwasshot Date: April 14th, 2008 09:30 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Seeing as rice is patently material, I can't continue my argument allegorically here, but if one considers Charlie's use of the objects of rice/tofu as personifications (namely of me) here, I can only argue that to judge a human being by how they LOOK evinces a materialistic and objectifying outlook that's redolent of those who perpetrate acts of ethnic cleansing, etc.

Not to say that I'm not guilty of this "crime," but I do reflect critically on this reifying tendency and I regret it; I also try to control it, but the fact that I was raised in such a thoroughly materialistic culture (the U.S.A.) makes the tendency difficult to resist; however, no matter how disparaging my judgements of people (and my tendency to "pigeonhole"/divide and analyze them with respect to these ultimately faulty categories) get, they are (if published in my livejournal, at least) usually the product of my impetuosity....i'm a very emotional/reactionary person, but only in the short term.

PS: In the even that this response makes utterly no sense, then....sorry
lwveggie From: lwveggie Date: April 14th, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Sometimes rice is simply rice. Sometimes it's more, I suppose.

Next time you feel the need to make the leap from an object (food, no less) to ethnic cleansing, I urge you to avoid using anything I may have written as your springboard.

I can vaguely see your train of thought, or at least I want to try to see it, and in doing so I remember why I decided to end my college career with my BA.

Sometimes rice is rice, and sometimes it's tofu. I was just curious as to how it looked, as tofu.

I suppose I prefer my rice homogenous.
From: babyiwasshot Date: April 15th, 2008 01:55 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I though the OBJECT was a SYMBOL (a highly personal one, at that: me), so it was more like a leap from a personal indictment/argument against my presence to ethnic cleansing.

I can vaguely see your train of thought, or at least I want to try to see it, and in doing so I remember why I decided to end my college career with my BA.

It's odd, because this is doing nothing but augmenting my resolve to stay in academia, if only to piss everyone off (which I'm evidently capable of doing without even trying at times).
From: babyiwasshot Date: April 15th, 2008 01:58 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
PS: not to say that this "reading" is the right one, but that's how I read it, and in light of this penchant of mine to read anything I even suspect is allegory personally, perhaps people will be able to understand the highly PASSIONATE manner in which I react. REact being the key term here, I guess.
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