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Photographic Ethics
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celebrian_3 From: celebrian_3 Date: December 10th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I'm afraid I've never had as many scruples about the use of Photoshop as you. Practically every image I've ever posted has been edited in some manner. I don't trust the camera to capture what I see--especially in digital photography, where dynamic range is limited. For me, what I see has always been more important than what the camera sees, so I use Photoshop to get as close to that as I can--though sometimes, I have been known to take a little artistic license with that:-). Though not so 'elevated' an artform in the eyes of some, I guess I think of photography the way I think of painting; the "truth" of the image is sometimes best created by heightening contrast, saturating or desaturating color, enhancing detail.

I must say, though, that I have always appreciated your rigorousness about your refusal to succumb to the addiction of Photoshop, in a time where truth in the photographic image is more often than not obscured rather than enhanced by digital treatment, and images have become a fetish of perfection. Plus, that kind of rigor I think lends itself to becoming a better photographer, instead of an image creator. Anyone can mess around with Photoshop and make an image, but it takes some real technical skill to produce something effective with minimal or no post-processing.

Now, on the other hand, I could probably show you how you could have adjusted the water for detail without affecting the sky ;-D.
cbertsch From: cbertsch Date: December 11th, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I know others use Photoshop that way. And it doesn't bother me, unless the end result includes an obvious excision or superimposition that goes against the truth of the image. I'm sure that my "ethical" considerations are in part the product of all the photography books I read as a teen. But I should have concentrated more on darkroom techniques, because many of the tricks I have eschewed in digital photography are ones that the darkroom specialist would have used back in the day.

Oh, and I know how to adjust the water without affecting the sky. But that would have resulted in an image that would have seemed false in relation to my memory of the scene. The detail is there now. It's just submerged.
bitterlawngnome From: bitterlawngnome Date: December 13th, 2009 02:46 am (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
"Anyone can mess around with Photoshop and make an image"

In all seriousness - Flickr proves this untrue. Using PS is a real legitimate honest to goodness skill.
celebrian_3 From: celebrian_3 Date: December 13th, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
Looking back, I did speak too hastily. More accurately, I've seen how anyone can take a digital photo and use PS to distort the that image, poorly and beyond the bounds of good art, taste, or reality (I'm probably leaving myself wide open to criticism here). But, the adjustments and "distortions" that Photoshop allows can also be done skillfully and intentionally, to create good art.

I'm probably not phrasing this in the best way, and I can see the holes in what I'm saying as I'm typing it. I guess I was trying to express my sympathy with C's point of view; even though I'm a PS user myself, I occasionally feel I'm skating the close to that territory where my images no longer bear "truth".

I should back off now--I'm getting too close to a splitting-hairs kind of argument that I'm not very skilled at defending myself in :-).
bitterlawngnome From: bitterlawngnome Date: December 13th, 2009 11:10 pm (UTC) (LINK TO SPECIFIC ENTRY)
I think we mean the same thing, anyway.
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